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n°5059
montagnard​14
Posté le 24-11-2014 à 11:57:05  profilanswer
 

bonjour,
J'ai toujours connu la tombe d'un soldat britannique enterré dans le cimetière de mon village(Montignies-sur-roc) en belgique;c'est d'ailleurs le plus petit cimetière militaire,puisqu'il n'y a qu 'une tombe!!!Ce soldat s'appelait MILEHAM frederick georges et son matricule est le numéro 9423.J'ai déjà retrouvé quelques documents,mais je voudrais en savoir un peu plus sur son parcours et surtout les circonstances de son décès(bataille d'audregnies??);j'aimerais surtout avoir une ou des photos correctes de lui
Merci à qui peut m'aider
 
http://images.mesdiscussions.net/pages14-18/mesimages/17640/079d66ca174c4cc088c1417464aacf4e.jpg

n°5063
Alain Dubo​is-Choulik
Tchiot quinquin de ch'nord
Posté le 24-11-2014 à 18:31:36  profilanswer
 

Bonjour  
  Vous avez sa date de décès  : 24/08/1914 (35 ans).  
Vous pouvez rechercher éventuellement le war diary ( JMO) du 18th Hussars  : http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk [...] tm?WT.ac=-, s'il existe ( et payer qques £ pour l'obtenir.)
Apparemment le régiment était à Elouges à cette date, le long de la route Valenciennes-Mons.
Il y a des réponses sur le net avec le nom, mais apparemment les plus précises ( encore que) sont payantes également
Cordialement
Alain
 PS : voir http://www.lightdragoons.org.uk/do [...] .pdf&dd=17


Message édité par Alain Dubois-Choulik le 24-11-2014 à 18:38:26

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n°5065
montagnard​14
Posté le 24-11-2014 à 18:57:21  profilanswer
 

merci beaucoup;peut-être que qq parmi vous est abonné sur ces sites payants;sinon ,je ferai la démarche moi^même

n°5066
Alain Dubo​is-Choulik
Tchiot quinquin de ch'nord
Posté le 24-11-2014 à 21:58:00  profilanswer
 

montagnard14 a écrit :

merci beaucoup;peut-être que qq parmi vous est abonné sur ces sites payants;sinon ,je ferai la démarche moi^même


Bonsoir,
    Il vaut mieux, pour un seul individu faire appel à quelqu'un qui a accès, car souvent l'information - dont le seul avantage est d'être indexée - ne présente guère plus que ce qui est sur CWGC par exemple,  Pour des sites comme ancestry, surveillez, il y a parfois des jours promos à accès gratuit. ( Bien sur il y a une période d'essai gratuit de 15 jours qui pourrait suffire, mais je n'aime pas le procédé qui consiste à donner malgré tout son n° de CB)
 
Ce n'est pas pareil avec London National Archives, ou l'achat d'un W/D est un faible investissement ( un DVD va bientôt sortir pour donner accès à tous les W/D via le nuage, mais là encore il faut avoir l'usage, car il  est en pré-vente à £350 !!)
Le livre signalé ( que je connais parce que que Valenciennes est au bout de la route de Mons, mais le 25 les Allemands sont déjà là pour plus de 4 ans), vous donnera peut-être des éléments intéressants.
 
Questionnez le Great War Forum, il y a des sujets dont celui ci-dessous (et des abonnés aux sites ci-dessus  :p ).
Cordialement
Alain

Citation :

18th Hussars War Diary:
 
24th Aug 1914. Action of ELOUGES.  After the action, Regiment was much broken up and retreated in the two main portions, one under Maj CORBETT (see separate account), the other under the CO.  Latter moved via MONTIGNY-SUR-ROC-ROISON to WARGNIES LE PETIT where it billeted for the night.  Casualties 9 wounded, 57 missing.  [Margin Entry:  See report to Brigade HQ].  
 
 
Report to Bde HQ: Action of ELOUGES.  Maj C H CORBETT collected 78 men and 81 horses after the action and joined Col CAMPBELL 9th LANCERS, Officers, Capt FURY, Lts ZEANE, DEURACHE SMITH, Lt SUMMERS. Interpreters, Lts STEVENSON, GUTENOIX and DILLON-KAVANAGH marched to BAVAY.  Lt LAWRENCE, Lt ??? LANGTON and Lt LLOYD joined dup with 30 men and 33 horses.  [Margin Entry:  Report forwarded to Brigade HQ].
 
 
Account of the Action at Elouges by Lt Col Charles Burnett 18th QMO Hussars.
 
 
 
The Regiment was ordered about 7:00 pm on the night of August 23rd to hold lines of the railway which runs from MONS to VELENCIENNES from THULIN Station on the right to opposite the 1st Kilometre stone on the MONS-VELENCIENNES Road on the left.  We connected with the 9th LANCERS on the right, and the 1st CAV BDE on the left.  The line along the railway was a bad one, so we withdrew to the S side of the road, holding the railway crossing just W of THULIN with a machine gun in a house where the road from the crossing formed the high road, the remainder of the Regiment being held in readiness about 300 yards S of the road.  Just before it was light, one troop under Lt STOLART was left at the crossing while the remainder of the Regiment retired to a position just N of the 1st E of ELOUGES, conforming to a line which was being taken up by the 2nd CAV BDE, along the high road just South of the MONS – VELENCIENNES Road.  Maj LEVESON’S Sqn “B” was posted in a sunken road about 600 yards south of the above named road with a machine gun on his left.  Capt THACKWELL’S Sqn © was on the right of Maj LEVESON in a continuation of the sunken road.  Maj STEWART’S Sqn (A) on the left rear in support also in a sunken road and just in front of the railway line which ran west from ELOUGES.  The position was a very good one and the men very well concealed.  Our INF who had been holding the line of the canal during the night had retired to the high ground a little to our rear.  Soon after 6:00 am the Germans advanced through THULIN and drove our INF rear guard and C Sqn troop under Lt STOBBART off the line of the MONS-VALENCIENNES Railway across the high main road and back on to our position.  Lt STOBARTS troop in his retirement suffered several casualties chiefly from a machine gun which the enemy had posted on the railway line.  For a time the enemy did not press on and at about 8:00 am the Regiment in conjunction with the rest of the Brigade, received orders to retire to a second position.  This was occupied as follows:  On the left 2 troops A Sqn in a sugar refinery, the centre 2 troops A Sqn on a mound about 300 yards S of the level crossing which lay about half a mile W of ELOUGES, the right B Sqn a little retired in a large cutting on a mineral line which led from the sugar refinery to ELOUGES station.  C Sqn and machine gun in support near the western end of the same line.  The whole position lay just S of the word ELOUGES.  The Regiment was shelled a little during its retirement.  We waited here for some time and then received orders to retire through AUDREGNIES on ANGRES with the Regiment acting as rear guard to the Brigade.  Two Sqns A and B were kept at the top of the rise above AUDREGNIES, while C Sqn was sent to the ridge beyond that village.  The two rear Sqns were preparing to follow C when all the Brigade was ordered back to the 2nd Position we had taken up during the retirement.  The Sqns were sent to the same positions they had occupied before but B Sqn advanced too far beyond their original position and for a time lost touch.  I went to find them but could see nothing of them and as rifle fire had broken out on the left and part of C and A Sqns were in action I came back to C Sqn and found a hostile attack developing in front of them and in front of A.  The enemy’s guns opened on both these Sqns from the direction of QUIEVRECHAIN and from north OF the main MONS-VALENCIENNES Road.  At that moment the remainder of the Brigade came over the skyline immediately in rear of us and the 9th LANCERS in column of troops galloped across our front from left to right passing round the sugar refinery and the mound where A Sqn were on.  They were quickly followed by the 4th (ROYAL IRISH) DRAGOON GUARDS in a similar formation.  Both Regiments were heavily shelled and fired on from their left flank, as they executed this manoeuvre.  Their ranks were broken and they sought refuge in ever increasing numbers behind these two localities, and in the cutting further to our right rear where B Sqn ought to have been.  The enemy kept up an intense shell fire, concentrating it chiefly on the factory and on the mount, and their rifle fire was also very severe.  Many more horses than the ground could accommodate were now massed together, and the fierce fire they were subjected to caused a good number to stampede.  I went to the factory where A Sqn were and ordered Maj STEWART to retire when he could do so in safety, I then went to the mound and gave the same orders to Lt LAWRENCE and Lt GORELANGTON’S troops who were holding that position.  I then again went to try to find B Sqn but could see nothing of them.  I rode almost up to the MONS-VALENCIENNES Road.  I then rode back to see if A Sqn had retired and found they had gone back to a colliery close to ELOUGES Station where the majority of the Sqn rallied.  C Sqn in the meantime had retired along the mineral line to the S of ELOUGES.  The Regiment was now very much broken up, owing to the stampede of led horses and the mixture of units caused by the rallying of the remnants of the 9th LANCERS and the 4th (ROYAL IRISH) DRAGOON GUARDS in rear of our line.  We succeeded in rallying a good proportion of the Regiment at ELOUGES close to ELOUGES Station and just S of the town, and after a short halt the Regiment in two bodies, one under the CO and the other under Maj CORBETT moved (a) SW via MONTIGNY-SUR-ROC, AUTRIPPE, ROSSIN, BRY, WARGNIES-LE-GRAND TO WARGNIES-LE-PETIT and ( b ) via ATHIS to BAVAY.
 
Lt Col Charles BURNETT CO 18th QMO HUSSARS
Information supplied to the Historical Section by Major LEVESON, DSO, CO B Sqn 18th HUSSARS Aug Sept 1914.
 
Apologies for any typos. Not edited. MG


Message édité par Alain Dubois-Choulik le 24-11-2014 à 21:59:19

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n°5067
Alain Dubo​is-Choulik
Tchiot quinquin de ch'nord
Posté le 24-11-2014 à 22:05:48  profilanswer
 

Suite
 Voir ICI : http://discovery.nationalarchives. [...] r/C7351438
 pour le W.D du 18 (Queen Mary's Own) Hussars
3 livres 30 pour 124 000 kilos, ça reste raisonnable !  :pt1cable:  
A vous de voir bien sur.
Alain


Message édité par Alain Dubois-Choulik le 24-11-2014 à 22:06:31

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n°5068
montagnard​14
Posté le 25-11-2014 à 09:16:40  profilanswer
 

merci pour toutes ces précisions!
alain ladrière

n°5082
RichardEll​is
Posté le 04-12-2014 à 20:11:27  profilanswer
 

Bonsoir Alain
Voici des renseigments au sujet de ce soldats (en anglais). Mettez-vous en contact avec moi si vous voudriez une traduction.  
Bien cordialement  
Richard
 
First name(s) FREDERICK GEORGE
Last name MILEHAM
Service number 9423
Rank PRIVATE
Regiment Household Cavalry and Cavalry of the Line (incl. Yeomanry and Imperial Camel Corps)
Battalion 18th (Queen Mary's Own Royal) Hussars.
Birth place HULL
Residence HULL
Enlistment place YORK
Death year 1914
Death day 24
Death month 8
Cause of death Died of wounds
Death place France & Flanders
Theatre of war Western European Theatre
 
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First Name Frederick George
Initials F G
Last Name Mileham
Soldier Number 9423
Year Of Birth 1879
Age 35
Date of death 24 Aug 1914
Year Of Death 1914
Nationality British
Rank Private
Regiment desc 18th (Queen Mary's Own) Hussars
Cemetery MONTIGNIES-SUR-ROC CHURCHYARD
Cemetery Type Desc Cemetery
Current locality description Hainaut
Original locality desc "Honnelles, Hainaut"
Forces Army
Additional information Son of George and Mary Ann Mileham, of Hull.
Country Belgium
 
 
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n°5085
montagnard​14
Posté le 08-12-2014 à 09:45:34  profilanswer
 

merci pour toutes ces informations!!!;ce qui m'intéresserait aussi ,c'est une photo de ce soldat;je sais qu'elle est disponible sur ancestry;mais le site est payant(plus de 12 euros!!);si vous connaissiez qq qui est abonné???
merci encore et bonnes fêtes de fin d'année
alain ladrière
montignies-sur-roc


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